27 May 2008
Some on Planetpreterist have argued for the value of empiricism in understanding scriptures and God’s good creation; others have argued the opposite. Some on Planetpreterist hold to an Eastern Orthodox view of our faith, which I do not fully understand; others are less comfortable with mystery and strive for a systemization of our faith. I am predisposed to the position that empiricism has some value, but agree with others that there is a mystery to our faith that transcends empiricism and induction. (1 Timothy 3.9 indicates a qualified deacon must hold to the mystery of faith with a good conscience, thus validating the concept of mystery in my mind.) N.T. Wright in his book, Surprised by Hope, spends a portion of chapter 4 discussing knowing. I offer up portions of this chapter for your review and discussion. I once again point out that my formal training is not in Philosophy. I would ask that those who comment respond in ways that would be easily understood by me, a non-philosopher.
In the first part of Chapter 4, The Strange Story of Easter, Tom Wright offers several arguments to explain historically how all the early Christians came to a belief that Jesus had been raised from the dead. He then transitions with the paragraph:
Tom Wright points out that the obvious answer is “well, it actually happened.” Yet, Wright points out that it would be just as easy for the skeptic to say, “I don’t have a good explanation for what happened to cause the empty tomb and the appearances, but I choose to maintain my belief that dead people don’t rise and therefore conclude that something else must have happened, even though we can’t tell what it was.” Wright goes on to point out that is a matter of choice. As I (MD) understand it our Calvinist friends here at PP would say that points to election not choice. I would prefer not to spend a lot of time debating Calvinism unless it helps directly with the discussion at hand which is epistemology.
Wright then points out there are different types of knowing.
Wright then goes on to discuss how worldview influences that evidence that a historian is will to consider particularly when evidence points to events happening which we do not expect. He also points out that the scientist when faced with the massive evidence against resurrection finds it impossible to believe in resurrection without ceasing to be a scientist altogether. Then Wright explores what sorts of things a person wedded to scientific knowing excludes from scientific inquiry such as listening to music, and falling in love.
Then Wright says:
Then Wright asks:
He in part answers:
Wright spends that next several paragraphs pointing out that the world cannot cope a Jesus who comes out of the tomb and inaugurates a new creation in the middle of history or the worldview that allows for a God of creation and justice bursting into history. I believe this is where Covenant Eschatology, preterism, steps in and successfully explains this to the world. Wright then says:
Finally Wright an epistemology of faith represented by Thomas, an epistemology of hope represented by Paul’s words in 1 Corinthians 15 and Romans 8 and an epistemology of love represented by Peter. He summarizes by saying:
Wright answers his skeptics of this type knowing which is based upon faith, hope and love by saying:
Wright in the concluding paragraphs of the chapter describes what he imagines this new creation is like. While I reject his descriptions of a new physical body and a new physical universe, what he says I believe has power for our lives today. Consider these words of Tom Wright in the context of resurrection and Covenant Eschatology:
Imagine a community of God’s people who discern truth through the filters of faith, hope and love, not just a perceived superior argument or philosophical position. That community comes together striving to understand how to be God’s people; sometimes agreeing other times disagreeing, but leaving as co-journeyman each having learned something from the other. Each being brought closer to the other and closer to God.
In the first part of Chapter 4, The Strange Story of Easter, Tom Wright offers several arguments to explain historically how all the early Christians came to a belief that Jesus had been raised from the dead. He then transitions with the paragraph:
All this brings us face-to-face with the ultimate question. The empty tomb and the meetings with Jesus are as well established …as any historical data could expect to be. They are…the only possible explanation for the stories and beliefs that grew up so quickly among Jesus’ followers. How, in turn, do we explain them?
Tom Wright points out that the obvious answer is “well, it actually happened.” Yet, Wright points out that it would be just as easy for the skeptic to say, “I don’t have a good explanation for what happened to cause the empty tomb and the appearances, but I choose to maintain my belief that dead people don’t rise and therefore conclude that something else must have happened, even though we can’t tell what it was.” Wright goes on to point out that is a matter of choice. As I (MD) understand it our Calvinist friends here at PP would say that points to election not choice. I would prefer not to spend a lot of time debating Calvinism unless it helps directly with the discussion at hand which is epistemology.
Wright then points out there are different types of knowing.
Science studies the repeatable; history the unrepeatable…Historians don’t of course see this (the fact that historical events don’t occur again) and are not shy about declaring that these events certainly took place, even though we can’t repeat them in the laboratory.
But when people say, “But that can’t happen because we know that that sort of thing doesn’t actually happen,” they are appealing to a would-be scientific principle of history, namely the principle of analogy. History is full of unlikely things that happen once and only once…if someone declares that certain types of events “don’t normally happen,” that merely invites the retort, “Who says?”
Wright then goes on to discuss how worldview influences that evidence that a historian is will to consider particularly when evidence points to events happening which we do not expect. He also points out that the scientist when faced with the massive evidence against resurrection finds it impossible to believe in resurrection without ceasing to be a scientist altogether. Then Wright explores what sorts of things a person wedded to scientific knowing excludes from scientific inquiry such as listening to music, and falling in love.
Then Wright says:
But as this point we meet a third element of knowing, a puzzling area beyond science…and the kind of history that claims to “know” what makes sense by analogy with our own experience. Sometimes human beings—individuals or communities—are confronted with something that they must reject outright or that, if they accept it, will demand remaking of their worldview.
The challenge is in fact the challenge of a new creation…the resurrection of Jesus offers itself…not as an odd event within the world as it is but the utterly characteristic, prototypical, and foundational event within the world s it has begun to be.
Then Wright asks:
If a new creation is really on the loose, the historian wouldn’t have any analogies for it, and the scientist wouldn’t be able to consider its characteristic events in the light of other events that might otherwise have been open to inspection. What are we to do?
He in part answers:
The most important decisions we make in life are not made by post-Enlightenment left-brain rationality alone. I do not suggest that one can argue right up to the central truth of Christian faith by pure human reason building on simple observations of the world…I would not suggest that historical investigation of this sort has therefore no part to play and that all that is required is a blind leap of faith. God has given us minds to think…
Wright spends that next several paragraphs pointing out that the world cannot cope a Jesus who comes out of the tomb and inaugurates a new creation in the middle of history or the worldview that allows for a God of creation and justice bursting into history. I believe this is where Covenant Eschatology, preterism, steps in and successfully explains this to the world. Wright then says:
What I am suggesting is that faith in Jesus risen from the dead transcends but includes what we call history and what we call science. Nor is it simply…a belief that inhabits a totally different sphere, discontinuous from either, in a separate watertight compartment. Rather this kind of faith, which like all modes of knowledge is defined by the nature of it object, faith in the creator God, the God who promised to put all things to rights at the last, the God who…raised Jesus from the dead within history, leaving evidence that demands an explanation from the scientist as well as anybody else.
Finally Wright an epistemology of faith represented by Thomas, an epistemology of hope represented by Paul’s words in 1 Corinthians 15 and Romans 8 and an epistemology of love represented by Peter. He summarizes by saying:
Peter is called to a live in a new and different world where Thomas is called to a new kind of faith and Paul to a radically renewed hope, Peter is called to a new kind of love.
Wright answers his skeptics of this type knowing which is based upon faith, hope and love by saying:
Just because it takes agapç to believe the resurrection, that doesn’t mean that all that happened was that Peter and the others felt their hearts strangely warmed. Precisely because it is love we are talking about, it must have correlative reality outside the lover. Love is the deepest mode of knowing because…it affirms and celebrates that other-than-self reality. This is the point at which much modernist epistemology breaks down. The sterile antithesis of “objective” and “subjective”…is overcome by the epistemology of love which is called into being as the necessary mode of knowing for those who will live in the new public world…the world where Jesus is Lord and Caesar isn’t.
Wright in the concluding paragraphs of the chapter describes what he imagines this new creation is like. While I reject his descriptions of a new physical body and a new physical universe, what he says I believe has power for our lives today. Consider these words of Tom Wright in the context of resurrection and Covenant Eschatology:
Who, after all, was it who didn’t wasn’t the dead to be raised? Not simply the intellectually timid and the rationalists. It was and is those in power, the social and intellectual tyrants and bullies; the Caesars who would be threatened by a Lord of the world who had defeated the tyrant’s last weapon, death itself; the Herods who would be horrified at the postmortem validation of the true King of the Jews…Hope is what you get when you suddenly realize that a different worldview is possible, a worldview in which the rich, the powerful, and the unscrupulous do not after all have the last word. The same worldview shift that is demanded by the resurrection of Jesus is the shift that will enable us to transform the world…
There is the bluster of the tyrant who knows his power is threatened, and I hear the same tone of voice not just in politicians who want to carve up the world to their advantage but also in the intellectual traditions that have gone along for the ride.
Imagine a community of God’s people who discern truth through the filters of faith, hope and love, not just a perceived superior argument or philosophical position. That community comes together striving to understand how to be God’s people; sometimes agreeing other times disagreeing, but leaving as co-journeyman each having learned something from the other. Each being brought closer to the other and closer to God.
27 May 2008 19:17:26
Mick,
I’m not really a big fan of philosophy and don’t spend much time worrying about it. To me it’s just one of those sinkholes that ensnare men into quibbling about who’s philosophy is correct and who’s is wrong. It’s one of those open ended discussions that waste a tremendous amount of time which could be better spent. Something like endless genealogies being a waste. It seems that before you can enter into a discussion of the subject matter you have to argue and define whose method of philosophy you are arguing from and on and on it goes and where it stops nobody knows. Just had to get that little vent off my chest ;-)
Now to my reason for posting.
Wrights quotes reminded me of several scriptures about world powers and the day of reckoning with the New Heavens and Earth establishment or their demise in the Old Covenant as well. The biblical writers describe these nations as Great Sea Monsters whom God has under his control. Read in Job about Leviathan and God’s creative powers over them. They were described in Genesis 1 as the “Great Sea Monsters” and are under His jurisdiction.
Quote from Wright
“There is the bluster of the tyrant who knows his power is threatened, and I hear the same tone of voice not just in politicians who want to carve up the world to their advantage but also in the intellectual traditions that have gone along for the ride.”
Consider Daniel’s description of the ruling beast of nations and their perversion and usurping of power and dominion. Then we see ultimately their replacement with the people of the saints and their spiritual dominion over them.
Dan 7: 11"Then I kept looking because of the sound of the boastful words which the horn was speaking; I kept looking until the beast was slain, and its body was destroyed and given to the burning fire. 12"As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but an extension of life was granted to them for an appointed period of time. …. 22 until the Ancient of Days came and judgment was passed in favor of the saints of the Highest One, and the time arrived when the saints took possession of the kingdom.
23"Thus he said: 'The fourth beast will be a fourth kingdom on the earth, which will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth and tread it down and crush it. 26'But the court will sit for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever.
27'Then the sovereignty, the dominion and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the saints of the Highest One; His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all the dominions will serve and obey Him.'
Isaiah says essentially the same and equates them with the Serpent which deceived in the Garden.
Isa 27:1 In that day, the LORD will punish with his sword, his fierce, great and powerful sword, LEVIATHAN THE GLIDING SERPENT, LEVIATHAN THE COILING SERPENT; HE WILL SLAY THE MONSTER OF THE SEA.
2 In that day— "Sing about a fruitful vineyard:
Ezekiel portrayed Pharaoh of Egypt in the same light as the Monster of the Sea who also was controlled by God and His peoples.
Ezek 32: 2"Son of man, take up a lamentation over Pharaoh king of Egypt and say to him, 'You compared yourself to a young lion of the nations, Yet you are like the MONSTER IN THE SEAS;
3 Thus says the Lord GOD, "Now I will spread My net over you With a company of many peoples, And they shall lift you up in My net.
Norm
27 May 2008 19:52:48
Norm writes:
I’m not really a big fan of philosophy and don’t spend much time worrying about it. To me it’s just one of those sinkholes that ensnare men into quibbling about who’s philosophy is correct and who’s is wrong. It’s one of those open ended discussions that waste a tremendous amount of time which could be better spent.
In other words that is your philosophy about philosophy right Norm? HAHA
27 May 2008 22:09:14
Michael,
Yes it’s pretty simple and straight forward don't you think.
Tell me Michael how many philosophy books have you read. Do you constantly find yourself having to read up on what the new philosophy has to say about your old philosophy?
Does learning the minutiae of philosophy actually help you drop your presuppositions that you have acquired?
Does philosophy actually teach you about being honest in your search for truth or do we learn that from scripture?
What’s more important in seeking truth, personal honesty and integrity or philosophy?
(Acts 17:18 NIV) A group of Epicurean and Stoic PHILOSOPHERS began to dispute with him. Some of them asked, "WHAT IS THIS BABBLER TRYING TO SAY?" Others remarked, "He seems to be advocating foreign gods." They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.
(Col 2:8 NIV) See to it that no one takes you CAPTIVE THROUGH HOLLOW AND DECEPTIVE PHILOSOPHY, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.
As for me I will take the scriptures and seeking with an honest heart to help determine truth.
And where do we learn about an honest heart? Philosophy?
Michael the only reason that I would even need to understand the philosophy of this world is so that I can understand where you are coming from. It just doesn’t seem worth the time and effort from my point of view. I would much more spend my time learning about biblical symbolism by reading folks like James Jordan so that I can understand where the Hebrew were coming from. That makes a lot more sense for my time and effort.
Norm
PS. Jordan explains the animals Michael ;-)
28 May 2008 09:29:46
Hey Mick
A few thoughts, hope you don't mind :)
Philosophy is something that everyone uses even those who say they have no time for it. How it is used of course differs.
In an evolution of consciousness we are moving from a consciousness of good and evil toward a love consciousness.
Such depicts also the two covenants. The first was framed in "good and evil" and the second, love (without condition as that is what love is).
Genesis 1 is Universal creation. Genesis 2 is covenant creation and "heading up" of the promises which did stand within Universal creation.
Genesis 1 is Universal creation told in terms of relationship thus relationship consciousness. Not just the "sun and the moon" but the sun and the moon in the absence of a revelation of love without condition. A revelation thus that Adam had not received. THUS ADAM was a "figure" of HIM to come.
Genesis 1 thus stands as "good" and "very good". NOT however "perfect" as perfection could not be attained in that mode of consciousness wherein love without condition is not revealed in substance but only in hope in figures and types. There is thus a sense of "fulfillment" even toward Genesis 1. THIS IS WHY Genesis 1 becomes subject to and toward eschatology. Thus re-creation involves a subsequent sabbath day rest in Hebrews and why the Gospel of John touches on this element of creation.
In Revelation not having the "sun" for light refers to the consciousness of love without condition that is derived through the revelation thereof. A matter of consciousness and thus relationship. Where man covenantally does not define himself for himself through his natural surroundings but by revelation.
Thus the knowledge of good and evil was made available in the Garden of Eden toward that level of consciousness. The Serpent (the authority of the self defined ego in the precedence of types and figures which relate to the lower level of consciousness as the temple made with hands does embody that lower level of consciousness) was part of the characteristic mode of that creation as pertains to evolving or developing consciousness.
Thus pertaining to relationship, "very good" is made "first". The fulfillment of very good is perfection.
Love consciousness does not need the law. THIS IS WHY the law was to pass away.
It is the conscience of man that was Judged in righteousness in the day of Christ.
Thus closing (on a cosmic level) the book on that world.
Unity is not made by us, rather it is realized.
Love is not created by us it is accepted.
So then the problem involved in our continued development is not one that relates to a God defined relationship but rather to ignorance that is still at large.
Unlike the first-fruits our transformation is not from one covenant to another. (Which any full-Preterist should realize if they are consistent.) Rather our transformation involves the realization of the reality of our covenant age. That being the realized fulfillment of actualized fulfilled promises.
Such being then the stumbling point of many a fulfilled advocate. Wherein both Eschatology and Soterology are behind us. A point that any consistent full-preterist must IMHO accept. Otherwise fulfillment never came and was never actualized.
What we have then in the "belief system" of most Christians is the presumption that their belief appeases God's wrath wherein wrath is associated with eternal security. In short then many Christians do not (fully) believe in love or a God of Love.
If one's neighbor is not in relationship terms, seen to be secure through God's sovereignty then one's self can never be fully secure. The power of belief is thus undermined.
The subsequent psychology of such a belief system tends to be ego driven. Aways something to prove and never really at rest or peace. Such however does not affect eternal security only the perception thereof.
Which brings us back IMHO to topic. Love is in its own sense its own knowledge. Love has its own conviction and its own assurance. It is peace. It looks for benefit and is its own reward and treasure.
Blessings,
Barry
29 May 2008 10:59:15
Mick,
Keep reading philosophy. That way, you won't fall for the kool-aid.
Now, you wrote, "Wright goes on to point out that is a matter of choice. As I (MD) understand it our Calvinist friends here at PP would say that points to election not choice." I must point out that, as far as Presuppositionalism, this would false.
You DO have a "choice" (a choice is simply having various options in front of you - like, a knife, car keys, whether or not to respond to this blog, etc...). Volition, however, that is, what MOTIVATES you, is a different thing. No Calvinist denies "choice." The Calvinist denies that each various option openly in front of me carries with it the same power of motivation.
That means, I see a car key and a knife. I have a choice to pick up the key or the knife and I go for the key. I have no intention of picking up the knife, even though it is a possible "choice." See what I mean?
The second part of this comment is that Wright is right! We have a "choice" concerning Jesus. There is NOTHING and NO ARGUMENT that "proves" that Jesus rose from the dead on the basis of empiricism. SOMETHING ELSE has to MOTIVATE you to choose Jesus. I can argue with great sophistitication that Jesus was not raised from the dead from a purely empirical basis.
Remember the old line, "He is either Lord, liar, or lunatic." Those are choices. There is nothing compelling, empirically speaking, that Jesus was not a liar and a lunatic..after all, we have seen nut case Messiah's before.
"Yeah, but how many followed Jesus...look how Christianity grew." Fine. Islam, anyone?
29 May 2008 11:20:58
Sam,
Thank you. Your comments are very helpful. I continue to welcome your comments. I am beginning to undertand your pespective. The more you explain using examples and terms I understand, the more I undersand your perspective.
Mickey
29 May 2008 15:25:57
Sam: "You DO have a 'choice' (a choice is simply having various options in front of you - like, a knife, car keys, whether or not to respond to this blog, etc...). Volition, however, that is, what MOTIVATES you, is a different thing."
Clark: "Choice is that mental act, that deliberate volition - I do not intend a comprehensive definition - which initiates a human action. The ability to have chosen otherwise is an irrelevant consideration and has no place in the definition."
If I understand you correctly, 'choice' and 'volition' are distinct--and 'choice' entails "various options." Clark seems to be saying 'choice' is 'volition.' A distinction could be made between the "ability to have chosen otherwise" and "having various options," but I'm wondering if you disagree with Clark on either the points? Or have I misunderstood both of you? :)
Jer
29 May 2008 16:19:22
Jeremy,
Clark is describing "choice" here as the "act of choosing" (active). I am using "choice" as a noun. Clark makes the same distinction: "Choice, however, is unavoidable..." He said this in regards to beliving in Jesus or not. It was a "choice." Now, if one chooses (active) Jesus, then "Choice is that mental act, that deliberate volition - I do not intend a comprehensive definition - which initiates a human action. The ability to have chosen otherwise is an irrelevant consideration and has no place in the definition." NOtice, too, no "comprehensive definition" is given here.
Using my example this can become clearer. Car keys or knife. Those are two "choices." If I choose car keys, then, for Clark, "The ability to have chosen otherwise is an irrelevant consideration." Notice he is speaking about the ABILITY, and this is what I centered on: "choice" or having "choices" and deciding upon a "choice" out of many means that that one choice MOTIVATED you aside from the other choices and, therefore, each choice is not equal in power -
29 May 2008 19:26:10
Hi Sam:
I understood you both to be defining the noun 'choice,' so I did not consider the verbal aspect.
I'm still trying to grasp this: "'choice' or having 'choices' and deciding upon a 'choice' out of many means that that one choice MOTIVATED you aside from the other choices and, therefore, each choice is not equal in power"
So, I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you :) Jason and I talked about 'choice' some time ago. I used the same joke there. (I only have a few. Unfortunately for my wife, she has heard most of them.) I'm a bit slow, but I trying ;)
If, as in your example, my choices are keys or a knife, how is one "motivated" by these objects? In the quote above, one is motivated passively by an agent, the "one choice," the referent of which may be either 'keys' or 'a knife.'
Elsewhere you wrote, "Now, if one chooses (active) Jesus, then 'Choice is that mental act, that deliberate volition...'" Yet at another point you wrote, "SOMETHING ELSE has to MOTIVATE you to choose Jesus." Here's where I get lost: On the one hand, the act of choosing (deliberate volition) is, well, active--no mention of agency. But on the other hand, 'volition' is, apparently, an agent that acts upon the individual, e.g., "Volition, however, that is, what MOTIVATES you..." So, I'm unclear on how one can choose (active, deliberate volition) while "what MOTIVATES" one passively (i.e., volition) is an external agent. Of course, I may not be following you at all.
Is one both acting and being acted upon? I can understand how one could be "motived" by (agency) God, but not by keys or a knife. Or is God the motivator even if the choice is between keys or a knife? That would require a rewording of "one choice MOTIVATED you" if the intended referent was indeed God.
Forgive me if I am a little (or a lot) dense. My wife is cooking fish, so hopefully the brain-food will help :)
Jer
29 May 2008 19:44:56
Mick,
The “choice” is yours :)
Jer thanks, I rest my case. ROFL
Norm
29 May 2008 19:56:50
Glad I could put as smile on your face, Norm :D
Jer
29 May 2008 21:20:49
I'm getting lost in this, but have a simple question regarding the keys, or the knife...
If I want to cut a piece of meat, wouldn't I choose the knife? Likewise, if I want to go and buy the meat, wouldn't I choose the keys? Is this what one means by "motivation"?
Paige
29 May 2008 22:09:07
There you go again, Paige... stating things clearly and succinctly while I make a mess of things. Perhaps I could send my comments to you before posting them :)
Jer
29 May 2008 22:32:11
LOL!
I'm still trying to get out of the 100 level classes around here!
Paige
29 May 2008 23:23:46
IOW, as I see it then... what "motivates" is the preceding "need". ???
30 May 2008 00:41:52
Jer,
You ask the question: "So, I'm unclear on how one can choose (active, deliberate volition) while "what MOTIVATES" one passively (i.e., volition) is an external agent." So am I.
Can you explain "choice" by using empirical studies? Then maybe you can inform me "why" I choose the things I do.
By those attempting to make this a simple issue, then you have missed completely the criticism of Postmodernism.
Sam
30 May 2008 00:54:34
I don't necessarily think I'm trying to make this a simple issue, but rather frame it for a simpleton (me).
Paige
30 May 2008 08:55:44
Hi Sam:
You quoted me: "So, I'm unclear on how one can choose (active, deliberate volition) while "what MOTIVATES" one passively (i.e., volition) is an external agent."
And then said, "So am I."
So, am I getting the gist of what you're saying?
You ask: "Can you explain 'choice' by using empirical studies? Then maybe you can inform me 'why' I choose the things I do."
Clark wrote, ". . .choice must be defined as a psychological function, distinct from desire or judgment for example, and nowhere in the definition can be found a place for the power to have chosen differently."
If 'choice' is a psychological function, I could only explain its effects through observation. As to 'why' a person chooses one thing over the other, I can relate my personal experience--for whatever that's worth to you.
Several years ago I heard this guy Sam Frost speak at TruthVoice. I liked what he to say, so when he wrote a book I bought it. I liked what he had to say in it, too. In the years that followed, I corresponded with Sam a few times and he was kind enough to answer my questions. In fact, I asked him to critique a paper for me because I had grown to respect his straightforwardness and insights. He kindly agreed. In April, I shared a meal with Sam, Ed and Mark. Through my "experience" with this guy Sam Frost I have developed a deep appreciation and affection for the him. Since he is a fellow Christian I would like to understand him better--not so I could debate him or attempt prove him wrong but because he a brother I respect. In such dialogs I would hope that we could learn from one another and that perhaps I would discover a more complete knowledge for myself. At the same time we might even glorify God through mutual love and respect--and even humility.
So, when you mentioned 'choice' and I did not understand you, rather than 'choose' to ignore you, as I would others, my respect and appreciation for you 'motivated' me to ask questions in the hope of understanding you better. Did you have another suggestion about my 'motive'? And, yes, that is a double entendre :)
Jer
30 May 2008 11:18:41
Sam, Postmoderns are the ones saying that the issue is not simple; you seem to be making it simplistic by invoking "empiricism" and
"determinism" whenever necessary. We shouldn't just toss any unanswerable questions to determinism...that's a copout. Calvin did the same thing too.
You choose the things you do because that's the framework God created for us to exist in, which is governed by laws which cannot be broken. Gravity is a great example of this - you can jump up and down all day, but you will not be able to jump off the surface of the planet because your mass does not allow you to break gravity on your own.
You seem willing to see this framework deterministic in nature, and I am not sure why, when WITHING THE FRAMEWORK, anything goes. This is not even a matter of free will/choice.
Clark gave the example that 2 plus 2 will equal 4 even to those who were cautious about admitting it until they understood mathematics. But this shows his own assumptions affecting his thinking; 2+2 may be 4 in a decimal system, but not in another mathematical framework. The framework itself defines both the ability to choose and the results of choice.
If you want to call the framework of our existence "determinism" then so be it - I will not even disagree with that, but do not call the consequences of going against the framework "deterministic." Socrates even had a word for this: "akrasia" - the nonsensical and illogical moral choice which goes against one's well being.
As a last comment, Clark did define choice as a psychological function and left it there. He fails to explain crowd psychology in that often individuals make different decisions around like-minded people as opposed to making decisions independently. This is often manifested in crowds behavior like public lynching, mobs, violence, all choices which would not be made should the individual not be exposed to the crowd factor. So...either choice is psychological (individualistically speaking) or it's not. Which is it?